January 31, 2009

The Tricks and Tactics of MLMs and Venture Era Group

Mister Po said:

They stress the main intention is to benefit your family, after all, they are selling healthcare products. This, combined with their peculiar way of gauging business confidence, and their charismatic trait, would spin off a pretty much hard-to-argue, if not rhetorical set of questions like,

“Are you confident in the products that you are selling?” “Are you confident enough to sell this to your family?” “Do you think our products can benefit people?” “Do you love your family?” “Would you want them to benefit from using our products?” “Would you sell this to your family then?

Recommended by Anonymous Coward: "This commentary is one of the many negative posts about Venture Era. But it is also one of the very few that analyse the sales tactics employed by the corporation, and discuss the dangers associated with them. In this article the writer highlights the sneaky behaviours of the staff, debunks the too-good-to-be-true payout structure, warns of overambitious youths from joining the company, and questions the stability of the organisation, which in his humble opinion, resembles a pyramid scheme. An insightful and subtly funny post, this post will definitely change the minds of naive teenagers who would otherwise fall prey to evils of an MLM company."

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he say tat the 1st training will be like 2 hrs to 4 hrs most.. end up i meet up with my upline at 12nn at the office, and end up talking alot of stuff(the brainwash things) afther tat he quickly moved on to my parent and they are VERY irritating saying u cannot pass ur barrier u cannot suceed if life u cannot take challenge! i have my doubts in them and check out the company on the sites and saw wad u wrote. thanks alot man. they are just a bunch of bloodsuckers!!

Read the law u retards

Read the law u retards.

Posted by =D* on 12 March, 2010 - 12:39am

Those who have being cheated by venture era, please call this number and this can prevent teenagers from being cheated and save them!

1800-355-1525

Thank you!

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 8 March, 2010 - 10:16am

Channel 8, Front line hotline : 1800-355- 1525

Please let people know by sharing yr experiences to the media , i think that this will be more effective! thanks.

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 8 March, 2010 - 10:19am

recently attend their ags. my fren bring me there to impress me, hoping to recruit me. but he don't know i'm an ex agent. lol!!

its very pathetic that most of the snr leaders left the company, leaving the kids to fill the void. compared to 4yrs ago, they have gone downhill.

its only a matter of time they wind up the business.

Posted by andy 22* on 1 February, 2010 - 7:42pm

the website mentioned aboved is not neutral. Its written by a newbie agent who was washed by the VE managers.

All the answers are standard answers provided by the BGM to the BM, MM (managers).

I have come across this website. maybe its written by one of their top guy who left.

Check this out : http://ventureera.blogspot.com/

Posted by former PRO MLMer* on 8 January, 2010 - 11:41pm

I found a good site for VE review le. I think this one is very neutral: http://be-good-and-sleep.blogspot.com

jon liu can u tell me more about the internal stuff. the pay .because i have done my research about this company. if the earnings are that high as proclaimed by all the BMs and upline( which they kept emphasising like how bill gates earn and stuff ) i have no idea y ppl quit. there must be something. perhaps they have exaggerated ? when actually not many ppl really earn this much? please enlighten me . thank you

Posted by stranger* on 31 December, 2009 - 2:24am

found this blog entry on some forums. is about a real life experience by an ex-distributor of ve. after reading, im so disguested by the kind of tricks they will resort to.

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THE TRUTH BEHIND WHY MISS AMANDA LEFT MLM@EUNOS (a nickname for the company) AFT BEING THERE FOR 2 YEARS.
and why she's darn fucking angry at DHA Leader and his lackeys. no lies, no deception, no cover-ups. truth and nothing but the truth. this i swear with my whole life!

a toast to the following b!tches and b@stards who couldn't help but keep on harping on the excuses they gave to other managers and distributors.
excuses on why i left. excuses which were fabricated to make themselves seem so darn holy and ethical. excuses to me make seem like the evil, cunning b*tch i'd never be this lifetime as long as my sanity is intact.

Botak (leader of the pack. or rather, the fattest and oldest leech among them all. DHA associate leader driving BMW Z4. very capable of sick, pervert jokes.), Raging Hormones (this nickname suggest his nature - horny with an erected dick to match. must be experiencing post-puberty at the age of 27. haha.. JAGUAR team leader), thissy tweety birdie chua (ever seen a blood sucker which looks like tweety bird? and nope, this tweety ain't a cute lil' canary. she'd suck the life out of you after she's done using you/gossiping about you. the direct downline of Botak) and some others whom i am too lazy to name.

*eh people, if you all wanna know how they look like, can google or type the appropriate words in facebook/friendster), don't come and ask me for pictures but then again, i might just send u the link if i do know you personally. haha...*

anyway, you people who knows this thissy chua i was talking about, pls let me talk about this bad b**ch's make-up technique first.
you'll notice how red she loves her blusher to be. and her eyeshadow. simply ZOMG! ever seen pandas with shimmering pink patches around their eyes? oh, she ever had black eyeshadow before too. people uses black eyeshadow to achieve smoky eye effect. hers? panda eyes effect.
pls don't thick skin ask for pictures of these clown faces cuz' i do not want my laptop to w*nk with her picture and cum all over the keyboard. no worth it lah. *sniggers*

yes, i just left MLM@Eunos last august.
the beloved company whom i had pledged my loyality, love and beliefs for.
i even quit my poly education to pursue this 'career' which i so damn believe in 2 years ago when i was 19.
i wasn't very happy with DHA Associate Leader and his team of BGMs.
unethical people who're blinded by money to the extent of casting away their sense of righteousness, sympathy and compassion for other people.
look down on these kind of people.

i know too many of their dirty secrets. too many to the point that i simply can't close my eyes and follow such 'leaders'. if i do, i cannot sleep at night and answer to my own conscious.
breaking 5 golden rules (no BGR with fellow colleagues, no pulling of others' downlines, no money conflict, no passing of negativity and negativity to be passed up whereas positivity to be passed around), making downline pregnant (happened to one of the colleagues i was pretty close with) and shrinking responsibility, not being honest towards own organizations and customers,etc..
they don't practice what they preach.
those rules that i had underlined = rules the 'leaders' themselves had broken

even after i left, Botak (flabby piece of sh!t) held a managers' meeting and used me as an example of a horrible manager who played politics, doesn't trust,believe and follow her uplines (i attended all trainings that i was asked to attend, did everything i was asked to do. what else to follow when i WASN'T even given a planning at the beginning of every month to hit my position and i had to resort to doing things my own method, observe how other people do it, trial and error, etc...), gossiped and broke the 5 golden rules.
sh!t him.

why, Botak?
u miss me too much that u had to just keep mentioning me?
or because i feigned ignorance to your lewd comment and advances in late 2006 so now you're taking your revenge?
didn't you tell me that you find my looks special (i do have witness for this when this incident happened)?
don't you love ogling at me until the extent of your own managers can come tell me about the way you look at me? until my own downlines can even notice and tell me?
but who covered ur ass for you when your managers gossiped about us?
me, you f*cktard.

Botak spotted me in office after i left (went back to office a day or two during last Sept and Oct) and told the other managers that he didn't know why i still went back despite being told to leave MLM@Eunos.
what a big liar. weird how your nose still looks so pudgy despite the many lies you've alrdy told throughout your period in that company.

i wasn't asked to leave MLM@Eunos, i left on my own accord cuz i could not stand him and his lackeys any longer.
during that shooting session last august, didn't you, Botak, mentioned that you hope i'll still continue being in MLM@Eunos?! suddenly twist your words so you can save ur punctured ego/ass?
http://www.xanga.com/redrosequartz/6709965...on-stage-alone/
Botak, i wanted to let this issue pass, i even set the above blog entry private so no one can ever read it but you wouldn't allow me to do so. you KEPT ON harping and harping about my flaws openly. correction. the flaws you made yourself think i possess.

and i did not go back to MLM@Eunos to attend managers' meetings, do pp, bp, coffee or such things during sept and oct.
i merely went back to collect my stuffs from my locker, did some handling over to my own BGM (cuz the rest of my uplines all left before me. Miss AR, Mr R and my most respected Mr LH. why you two brothers seem to have such different upbringing?) and wanted to collect my MM badge.
even tho i wun be in MLM@Eunos anymore, but these 2 yrs, i fought hard and bitter for my MM position, hence, the badge meant something to me. the quest on attaining the badge made me realize how strong and determined i was, despite the unfortunate environment i was in.

i wasn't as fortunate as your lovely thissy tweety birdie chua, Botak. her uplines left, she was bitter for awhile but what she got was a BAM for an upline. you got her back on tracks and arranged coffee session for her to meet boss.
but me? i got nothing but missing pieces above me. i did not blame my uplines for leaving. instead, i told myself that i just had to work harder and smarter than usual to prove myself.
other people do one thing, i did threefold. so that i can be independent and learn faster.

Botak also mentioned that they (DHA leaders) found out that i had done something outside VE which violate one of the 5 golden rules.
i think he was referring to that time when he bumped into me and TC last September at Cineleisure's lift lobby. TC had his hand on my waist. so very obvious that we are alrdy an item by then.
so Botak, you wanna talk about BGR here!? ok, i'll grant you your wish.

i admit, TC was my downline. i brought him into MLM@Eunos after knowing him through friendster.
our feelings for each other only developed when i was about to leave MLM@Eunos (mid august) and i only got together with him on 27 August 2008. i have blog entries to back this fact up:

http://www.xanga.com/redrosequartz/6715331...-very-vexed-me/
http://www.xanga.com/redrosequartz/6720487...ng--luvayn-toh/
http://www.xanga.com/redrosequartz/6719186...t-date-with-dk/

fyi, i left the company around 20 August 2008.
at that time, TC had only went for one appointment and we did not manage to get any deal closed. it was mainly pure rapport-building. hence, TC did not have any account with MLM@Eunos officially. no black and white.
i am not afraid; anyone of you can go right up to the admin counter and check TC's name - TC.
those who wanna see me in hot soup, you'd be so disappointed.
i know what is right, what is wrong. i'm not afraid of people digging out dirts 'bout me, my pasts because i always make sure that i do not do anything against my integrity.

yup, me and TC's relationship is like a bullet-train. it blossomed pretty fast.
so what? any of your business? is he officially my downline at any point of time? NO.

then Botak, what about YOU being in a relationship with another BGM from SHhhh..Associate (Shhh.... is the name that Botak's gf, Lan Pah, gave to her own associate after she left).
Lan Pah was a car achiever and the BGM of Falcon. she had left the company late last year as well.
now, she 's out but guess what? she allow Botak to recruit her own younger brother into the 'business'!!
wtf! what kind of sister is this!?

well, if my sources are right, you and Miss Lan Pah got together in february 2007? *gasp*
she was fighting for her car incentive at that time right? so being with a BM (business manager) makes you holier than me? esp with someone else's downline?
and well, i don't rule out the possibility that you badmouth Lan Pah's ex-upline (SHA leader, Mr Steben Ho) to her and somehow sow some discord. she's no longer in the company and you're partially to be blamed.
but i can confirm that you did badmouth Steben Ho to me.
and didn't you made your advances to me in nov/dec 2006? then so fast get attached?!
my blog readers, you people get the picture?

if you want to preach on BGR, please don't stupidly find a gf in MLM@Eunos. out of the millions of girls out there, must find someone from MLM@Eunos?! so you and your Lan Pah leading a very blissful life right now? good for you! but don't come backstabbing me about my own relationship to the other managers when you're not practising what you preach. this is my private life and i do not need your inconstructive comment at all. unless you are eating sour grape? hahaha!!!

sidetrack a bit, even though Botak did badmouthed Steben Ho to me, i stayed cuz' i didn't want to take sides based on things i hear. i listened, i kept my comment to myself. but so far, Steben did not do anything bad to me. he even wanted to meet me for a coffee session after i hit my marketing manager position when he didn't have to.

oh, didn't you want to smack me (read: kinky) last june? 20 june 2008, 9.02pm, to be exact. i still keep that sms, so when other people accuse me of throwing myself at you, i have evidence to back myself up.

as for politics and such, Botak is the biggest mastermind.
thissy Tweety Birdie chua is not much better.
the few months after she joined MLM@Eunos, she attended this detox camp held by the product consultant.
during the camp, she gossiped to Raging Hormones (still remember this pervert?! lol.) and Mitchie (a car achiever who left the company during late 2007) about me wearing leopard print bra under white top.
and at that time, i did not even offend her or do anything uneventful towards her. so, imagine how pissed off i was when Raging Hormones told me this last yr.
and they way she talks to people is really offending. always talk w/o thinking if it's sensible or not.
what's even more irksome is the way she acts snobbish when she is a NOBODY.
*pukes*
hello act-atas-airhead!? marketing manager in VE is nothing in the real business world out there ok!
people, please be careful of her. this tweety birdie, even though is 22 years old only, is very cunning and shrewd.

as for Raging Hormones, he had this downline, X, whom i was quite close with.
and Botak told Raging Hormones not to let X to be too close to me as i'm a bad influence. how amusing.
and mind you, Botak was treating me very well and taking care of me at that point of time.
did not know he's such a two-faced person.

so Botak who is the bad influence? me or Raging Hormones?
who caused Raging Hormones' downline to become pregnant and cheated her a few hundred dollars to buy a magnetic therapy bracelet? me? you must be kidding!
yes yes, i have the ability to fertilize a girl. hahaha!!


X cohabited with Raging Hormones (RH) and he took away her virginity.
later, he impregnated her, told her to go to the hospital to take some abortion jabs (if i am not wrong) and refused to accompany her.
the poor girl had to go back to her country and go for abortion.
not only that, he even lied to X that his parents wanted her to pay for rent. she passed RH $300plus and imagine what he did to the money? buy a magnetic therapy bracelet.
during the times when he was starving, she would even fork out her own money and buy meals for RH and his family.
hello, people come all the way from their country to find a decent job, not to get cheated of their money okay.
wait a minute. didn't RH said that he's earning a great paycheck every month and he retired his parents? how come don't even have money to buy a decent meal and his dad is still working as a cab-driver? out of passion for singapore roads?! wahahaha!!
all lies. just the same as what Botak claimed that he only has 'O' Level Cert. my foot! yes, he quit his poly studies to join MLM@Eunos, (that time was MLM@Chinatown Point Coffee Bean) but eventually, he still went back to his studies to get a diploma.

Botak dear, you want me to contact that ex-downline and scan the whole medical report out for you (kill me i also dun wanna meet you ever again. i'd fear that my eyes will bleed at the sight of your horrendous face) and blow this whole thing out so that you, Raging Hormones and MLM@Eunos will be well-known for your warped mentality and teachings? you dun come fucking talk to me about xin tai. you don't even have one.

actually, i did not want to mention this at all cuz it involves me, but since things have turned really ugly, i had no choice.
for the past two years in MLM@Eunos, Raging Hormones had been sexually harassing me. verbally.
i was dumb to be unaware that verbal, lewd comment is also classified as sexual harassment and i can report this to the police.
there are times when i 'laughed' his comments off cuz' other than that, i did not know what to do. i cannot possibly tell my acting upline as he's a male.
Raging Hormones had asked me to stay over at his place and provide extra 'service' to him, requested me to show him my breasts, described lewd actions to me, etc... super turn off. how sick.
i have no reason to make false claims on this as my reputation is at stake as well.
and i certainly did not bed RH or let him touch me, for your info. some managers AND non-managers have heard how RH made such comments to me and i can ask them to verify, provided that they're matured enough to stand up for people who were wronged and also, know that this is not a joke.

okay.
so when the politics bubble grew too much to be contained any further, it burst and Botak conveniently made me the scapegoat, telling everyone in DHA (and maybe, whole of MLM@Eunos), that i'm a bad manager/downline, etc...
hello Z4 guy. you should have picked someone who's timid like a mouse so even when made a scapegoat, she will just keep her mouth shut and accept her fate. someone like debby toilet loo.
familiar name, Botak? she started this whole sh!t and sow discord between us all. but you, being brainless, chose to believe her. you had been using your other head to think, isn't it?
so now how? miss debby (debby loo is a manager, so must call her 'miss'. this is the culture in the company) still in MLM@Eunos, sticking with you and your pathetic associate? she's not working in some car sales now meh? hohoho!!!

apparently, there are people saying that debby toilet loo is very pretty but well, no chance lah, you guys.
she's a lesbian, with one of the butch managers in DHA.

how everything started was me being too trusting. i was pretty close to debby toilet loo and X.
so, when debby loo learnt that X and RH were together and after gathering much things about me, she backstabbed both of us.
so, debbythebigmouthwoman, went to tell everything bout me and X to her lesbian partner, Miss Eile3n, who in turned told all these to her/his (i still cannot decide to use he and her on the butch) upline, Miss Haidi. so Miss Haidi told the news to Botak.
very smart girl, only 20 when the incident happened, and backstabbed two older friends while keeping her reputation intact (be glad that i did not tell Botak and the rest that how you had sex with your butch. u mentioned fingering, babe. like that shiok meh!? haha.. oh yes, and that you were using your own downline, jonathan, to make Miss Eile3n jealous, and that how u hate one of Miss Haidi's downline, Dorries, to the core, cuz she likes Miss Eile3n as well. then what about the times when you borrowed money from me for meals? *roll eyes*).
so, debby told Botak that i hate Lan Pah (just because i liked Botak before doesn't mean i hate the gf at the point of time when the whole politics thing happened, sucker. but i do abhor Lan Pah now for badmouthing her own downline, Ah fang, to Botak. tsk tsk.another two-faced one.), that X and RH are together and so on.
so, Botak came to confront me and more or less, i managed to clear the bad air even though somehow, i know that Botak doesn't really trust what i said.

this debby toilet loo had the cheek to call me the next day and asked, 'Miss amanda, i'm at the perfume shop now. jus wanna ask you which perfume smells good?'
for people who knows me, i'm that kind who doesn't give a damn about being nice to hypocrites and people who backstab me.
so i just told her, 'you know what you had done. you still have the cheek to call me?'
so after she hang up the phone, guess what happened?
she went to tell Mr Raven(name of the group) Leader (debby toilet loo from raven team) that i SCOLDED her. so, Raven Leader went to tell Botak this and i got scolded out of nothing. (hello, scolding is to lash out at someone in a loud volume ok. i just merely told her i know what she did).
this made the misunderstanding between Botak and i deepened tremendously.
what even disgusted me even more was that after i 'scolded' debby toilet loo (in their context), she went to buy the exact perfume i was using that time. my signature perfume - Lanvin Eclat D'Arpege.
she loves that smell and asked me what perfume i used before (during happier days) and i showed her how the bottle looks like. yes, i brought the whole bottle to office.
debby, i'm a b**ch so i must have smelt so damn bad right? how come you wanna use the same perfume as well? to the extent of applying too much that it's almost choking!?

so, from then now, Botak left me to my own devices and he's always replying me in sarcastic tones.
you hate me, you tell me. don't have to act so kiddish and forget that you're an ASSOCIATE LEADER.
Botak, 27 years old already but mentality still 19 issit? you stopped growing intellectually after you joined MLM@Eunos? cuz everything you just trust, believe, follow blindly mah.

so, this whole thing lead to the shooting session.
apparently, Botak feels (see, no hard concrete proof, yet, wanna go find fault at others) that i'm badmouthing him to other agents.
hello!? i was asking all these BMs for help for coffee session, trainings for my downlines, etc.. but they die die also want to know why i don't want to ask Botak for help (cuz to them, Botak and I were pretty close).
a few times, i can cover and say that Botak was busy, i dun want to trouble him, etc.. but it got too often and they smelt a rat, plus i was in distress some of the times that i even lost 10kg during that period of time. no joke.
i have people to verify this also..
Botak, some of your BMs are seriously smarter than you are.
so, a few came to ask me what happened and squeezed the truth out of me. i had no choice but to spill half of the beans. why half? cuz i was still covering up for Botak and the rest of his good-for-nothing BGMs.

so, this whole thing accumulated and Botak asked for a manager session on fateful friday night in august - the shooting session as seen from the first link above.
he did mentioned during that manager session that he'll have his karma but he had to do it.
yes, he got his karma (Lan Pah left the company, mr k, one of his BM and best downline, left a few mths aft i did) and hopefully, more to come.

the way Botak dealt with this whole matter is so wrong.
i lost my reputation and 'face', he lost his cool and made other managers (only those who were sane enough) see the real, ungentleman and evil side of their leader.
you said the shooting session was necesary to protect your DHA. if you want to protect, you should have should all these behind closed doors - me, X, Raging Hormones, debby toilet loo, Miss Haidi, Miss Eile3n, Raven Leader, Rhino Leader (another hypocrite who's great at badmouthing people), Panthera Leader and you.
and not congregate all your managers to let them know such a shameful thing has happened to your DHA and pushed all the fault to a girl.
a girl who stood by you these 2 years despite people around her leaving.
a girl who believed in you and the company.
a girl who respected you so much.
you acted way too childish that your behavior stripped off every last bit of respect i have for you.

i spoke to Mr M, the company's COO, a few times regarding this situation and he agreed with me that Botak was wrong to treat me like that.
Mr M is righteous. he chose to side the truth, not blindly side those who had been in MLM@Eunos longer. that's why up till now, i respect him so much. same applies to Mr Glenn as well.
wonderful minds, great visions ahead.

i still have too many dirty secrets bout DHA (hmmmm... like thissy tweety birdie chua like Mr $9, Miss Haidi is interested in thissy tweety birdie's downline, Ah Hui, one of the car achievers had debts of $20,000 not cleared yet, etc..) and some other BGMs from other associates that it'd take me more than a night to type all of them here.
i will not reveal what i know about the other 2 associates cuz' the people involved did not offend me.
instead, they helped me along my journey and i'm not some ingrate by backstabbing them here.

i'd be lying if i say i don't miss some of the really nice people and friends i had made there - Mr Lawrence, Mr Sam, Miss LY (she was my female idol back then!), Mr Nick, Miss Jasmine, Mr Ivan Teh, , Mr Alvin Ng, Miss Jessie, Mr and Mrs Kit, Ester, Wai Jun, Nadzirah, Jamaliah, both Farhans, etc...

all in all, great company, good management but lousy self-proclaimed leaders.
pui!

Botak, you must be thinking why suddenly i'd blog about this? (must bold this part, in case Lan Pah thinks that i am the one who cannot move on in life when it was her own bf who CANNOT move on and get over the fact that i have left) because only recently, i learnt bout the lan jiao lies you fabricated about me during one of the manager sessions you held months after i left.
i could have sued you for slander and defamation for the fake things you said about me. but i reckon that it'd be a waste to spend that kind of money on you, this worthless, airhead (your fav adjective for me, remember??), ugly scumbag.
the amount of money you have in your bank can never compensate for your intellectually-challenged brain.
i feel so damn sorry for you but also, partially angry that you're here to fight for oxygen with smarter people like the rest of us who managed to see your true colours.

and never forget, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.


p/s: yes yes, Lan Pah. i'm a horny, thick-skinned, full of assumptions, needs-help-from-a-priest b*tch (from your context at facebook). but at least, i'm a step better than you.
nothing worst than having all these in a package - Botak for a boyfriend, letting Botak make use of your younger brother to expand his pathetic organization, being dumb with NO LOOKS to boot (please tell your friend that at least, your beloved Botak said that i look special before. lol.. dare to say but don't dare to admit. reminds me of someone else also. lol!), having a face that will make plastic surgeons' eyes bleed , having eyes that are so puny (use at most 2 rubber bands can cover the whole eyes alrdy), not even having a testimonial from your secondary school because you're so freaking atrocious, backstabbing your own downline by telling you boyfriend that she's fucking gossipy but yet did not show results (means never help you increase your paycheck lah, so you not happy!) and well, this is definitely something which you have and i don't - possessing an airport runway for youe chest. you must be damn rich, because you owns an airport runway, but i don't even have a helicopter. so depressing for me. hehe..

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my friend is still blindly in the company. but he knows im very turn off by mlm and such, that is why he gave up trying to recruit me. heng lor.
but sometimes still pester me to buy things lah.
anyway, i showed him this whole blog entry and he told me that most of the people mentioned in the blog have left.
ranging hormones (i think his name is leon pang) has left the company liaoz.
then lan pah (whom my friend called 'miss lois') is now in prudential, selling insurance.
den that tweety bird girl is now with CHIC magazine.
he even told me that one of the bigger guys there (i think is some group leader) recently married another manager from another team. some charlie or charles guy. cannot remember liaoz.

Posted by Jon Liu* on 22 December, 2009 - 1:45am

I'm quite disgusted by Mrs Yip selling technique.

How many people have lost their money to VE ? do you know or you too afraid to find out?

How much are the BAM and BGM earning? alot because they told you or you too afraid to face the real figure? pathetic figure.

How many agents have true benefiting mindset? Its easy to talk about it but action dont tally. BUY UP, STOCK UP, COMMIT, FIGHT, SPLIT FULL PAYMENT TO PART PARTMENT, INVESTMENT.. isnt all these most talkabout in VE? Its all money related rather than true benefit mindset. So please... we know you are a rockie, verymotivated now but when you stay in that company for years, you will see more true colours. LOL

Posted by I know more about VE than you!* on 25 November, 2009 - 4:58pm

Everyone is talking about VE! It means the distributors are really working hard to expand the network. I am glad to see this. I am a working adult and personally benefiting by the products itself. That's the reason why I decided to let my friends know about VE products! Those people who are against MLM, please don't just aim at VE only. VE vision is promoting better healthy life style. Those youngester as a distributor is being trained up with a very strong salesmanship and networking skill. MLM always start with own network and next will be via referrals. Only amazing products that really helps the people are able to survive in the MLM. Well. I believe all at the top are earning money in any business and not just in MLM. I strongly recommend teenagers to join VE, putting in effort and learn what is health about and how the products can benefit the people. Closing of sales and earning money is not the priority but benefiting mindset is a must to allow your business grow. I have seen many MLM companies and I am honoured to be part of VE! I am so amazed and really glad to see the people are serious in it. I will transfer the msgs to the management and I do hope many youngster who join us have a fruitful and progressing journey in VE. All right, let's not wasting much time here. Do our best will do. Follow the right way, don't do the bad examples and end up ppl bitch about VE for no reason forever and forever.

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hahaha see CAREFULLY who are e new ppl joining ve.. not jus ordinary ppl.. hahah

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 1 October, 2009 - 9:42am

I hav frenz in that comapany and he is holding high position (BAM, business associates manager) .

He admit before that there are no 5-figure income. sometimes, their pay is around few hundreds. sometimes, when they get lucky, they will have $10k but that is like once in 2-5 years.

He also said that most of the top positions are in debts because the company forced them to buy BMW, Merc... and yet they unable to support the car installments because of low monthly income.

When I saw him talking to me about this, his eyes are red and filled with tears. :(

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 17 September, 2009 - 3:05pm

If this is really happend, why he himself never post the ads since he is so pathetic and losing the interest? Why he is still there continue to work? What a funny BAM that has no sense of direction and being controlled so easily? He shouldn't buy it if he is not financial stable. The more I see this, the more I feel faint. The people can just anyhow quote without evidence. I think we need social media to help out to revamp the whole image. People in VE, I know we do things with pride and sincere. And I appeal to the public, we cannot canned all distributors in MLM just because there are minority of distributors who did the wrong way. There are good and bad ppl around in this country, that's why we have rules and regulations, govern by and polices and courts. I would say most of the time, a distributor not able to survive in MLM because they did the wrong way, if you don't buy the ideas how they market or how they sell, just let it be. No big deal~

Please speak in English as it is proper. NOT some ahma engwish

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 5 June, 2010 - 12:18am

Dont waste time into ve. Get a life and pursue something that is more practical and realistic.. Promising lots of people earning big bucks within a short period of 2-3years. Pls, for goodness sake, how many pple ar eearning money then.. SAdly to say, those earning so-called big bucks, how much are they earning then. 15k and more.. ? if you are believe in them, stay in the company, work hard for the next 2-3 years and see whether will you earn that amount a not. Ve has been in the market for so long and how many people are earning that amount.. Go check out yourself and you will be amazed with what you have seen and kn0wn.

Posted by Successful or NOt??* on 7 September, 2009 - 5:15pm

Most agent thought that Venture Era can help them to be successful.. BUT that is totally WRONG!!

Venture era is just a small little company even after 9 years of operation. Their sales turnover is just around $150,000... which is very very very little compared to other SME in singapore. They spent most of the monies into their offices to "impress" more people to join them.

Poor agents.. all being bluffed by images..

Posted by former VE* on 28 August, 2009 - 9:58am

venture era group pte ltd will not be engaging young ignorant and useless students who have not even graduate from high schools or colleges... In fact news heard from some agents in VE group that there will be a batch of new and potential faces joining them or have even joined them. Therefore all those who belong to the category of 18 to 22 still wearing diapers and drinking milk and studying do not worry.. cause ya unwanted...

These new and potential faces shall be reveal here.. most of them high flyers..

i heard and shall not comment... names like Andrew Carv_r, Mark Mandemak_r, Norman Harton_, Jared Norf_r, Darryl Mar__n, David Ag_ew n many more...

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 24 August, 2009 - 1:16am

VE is pathetic. It actually aimed to move into central business district by June this year, saying that they are expanding rapidly, but they are currently still stuck at the MDIS building.

Posted by lol* on 9 August, 2009 - 1:06am

hahahah i agree with u. even now they say they are moving to CBD. they still at MDIS. HAHAHAHAHAHS. then they say they started in 2001 and the company is still going strong for 10 years? you do the math. hahahahas

Posted by a guy being asked to join* on 12 February, 2010 - 1:13am

check out at this website.

VE dirty tricks exposed !!!

http://ventureera.blogspot.com/

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 31 July, 2009 - 9:27pm

"no harm", "nothing to lose". that's what those VE always say...
my frens told me that they use such words to convince u to join them. they'll first ask u to sell to ur familiy n relatives. if successful, they will earn $ and may get promoted, thanks to u.

Posted by lullaby* on 3 July, 2009 - 10:46am

Every business in the world resembles pyramid scheme, mlm or traditional. The people at the top always make the most money and it always takes a lot of work to get to the top. Business is business and there is no free lunch.

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 27 June, 2009 - 2:06am

Yo people, in this forum i see that there are surely a lot of comments for those who support and dont support VEG. I have just been contacted by my sec 1 n 2 friend and he told me he worked at VEG. I dont know who's right who's wrong but think that there should be no right or wrong lah, but since there is no membership fee involved, i can just go down to their company and take a look at it only??? No harm going down just to take a look ba???

Posted by Neutral Guy* on 12 May, 2009 - 9:04pm

hey people, i see many for and against comment about VEG. I just got approached and im deciding whether i should join them. I seriously dunno who to believe since this is a forum and stuff can get exaggerated but my opinion abt VEG is since theres no "memebership" fee or smth we need to sacrficie other than time, then why not give it a try? theres no harm and nothing to lose right?

hey people, i see many for and against comment about VEG. I just got approached and im deciding whether i should join them. I seriously dunno who to believe since this is a forum and stuff can get exaggerated but my opinion abt VEG is since theres no "memebership" fee or smth we need to sacrficie other than time, then why not give it a try? theres no harm and nothing to lose right?

hey people, i see many for and against comment about VEG. I just got approached and im deciding whether i should join them. I seriously dunno who to believe since this is a forum and stuff can get exaggerated but my opinion abt VEG is since theres no "memebership" fee or smth we need to sacrficie other than time, then why not give it a try? theres no harm and nothing to lose right?

Hi, if 18 year old people can have the liberty to serve the armed forces, why are they imatured to do business?

reply to: icanrideagirlwithnocondomon

"...while his/her family loses some of their own income."
well, at least VE's products are really beneficial. they are proven to be beneficial and gains ur health etc. well why would you make a fuss of ppl losing their money to VE's healthy products than ppl who buy things they dont really need like expensive bags, clothes, etcetc? if you can spend 100+ on a shopping spree why cant u spend that amount of money (or less) on things that is good for your health?

"Having so many students at Venture Era gave me an opinion that VEG is unprofessional and a hard to trust company. I mean, how many of the distributors of Venture Era products actually understand or do research on what they are actually selling? It is very sad because the recruitments that the company takes in is usually naive teenagers and youngsters who come from poor family backgrounds and are hungry for success in their life."

what u mean by unprofessional and hard to trust company? what, u tink we cant sell professionally? u tink we go around asking like "hey, im from VE. this product good for u and ur family. plz buy it."? and so youre looking down at teenagers now? the teens there were trained to promote professionally.

oh and they sure do know their stuffs. ALL of the distributors know of VE's products. during training, they had to bring pen and paper to note down all about VE - their products, their system, etc. and they did tryouts on themselves and its proven to be good. so they do know about the products themselves.

and they take in naive teenagers? hello, they take in those aged 18 and above. they have the right to decide on what they wanna do. and most should have matured by then (if they dont, they wouldnt have succeeded in VE what right?). and how would u know they take from 'poor family backgrounds'? they dont probe into the teenagers life and detect those in need and so take them in. so if im well off, means they wont take me in? thats bullcrap.

"hungry for success in life". now what. youre sounding like we are desperate for money or rather, 'success'. one thing, we dont worship VE like they are some kinda GOD. we work coz we wanna work. or gain money. gosh.

im not in VE but i do have friends in there and VE dont seem to have much flaws. and im also disagree on this writer somewhat looking down on teenagers like we are some kind of helpless things.

Posted by 18year old* on 16 March, 2009 - 12:13am

What I feel is you guys have no idea how Venture Era works.You know,dere are reasons why V.E is an establish company wif 8 years of experience.And scamming ppl is not one of them.In MLM,there is a natural elimination process,where only the strong will stay.

1)About the car thingy,to be in that position is tough.Since its an incentive,dere are certain targets tt u have to fulfil.And wen u do,u will get the car forever,u noe why?This is a business,U CANT QUIT.u go out, take 5 years break and come back,u will still be forever the business group manager(BGM) in the company.

2)One of the many reasons we thrived is the fact tt we are seLling healthcare products.That means we will nvr ever get out of trend.Its not like we are selling perfumes or a car.Health is not a luxury.I know it works because I myself had seen a black and white pathology report to prove its effectiveness.Ok fine.Maybe u tink its a cheat.But i have seen da health analysis done on one of my customer b4 and after 3 months,her health really improve.and yes ppl,its MY AUNTIE.my family members.u got a prob wif dat?

3)Its not a stable job.That i agree.But tell me,which business is ever stable.Banks wif big names get bankrupt overnight.We can never put a guarantee on this kind of thing.There's a risk.Always is.Its a matter if you are willing to take it or not.So you misinformed bunch of ppl who barely get through the training days,you guys dun even noe wat u are missing.

4)Lastly,oh god to see how you guys complain on "ppl at the bottom have to suffer for the people at the top bla bla bla".Tell me,who will put time and effort to train you up so that you can get promoted? Trainings are free.The skills given to you are free.And remember ,there is always a catch.When u close a deal,your "top" ppl will get sum a very small percentage.Why?Because he had train you to become good at what you are.If he is a Business Manager(BM) that means he is also training you to become a BM.So ,isnt it a win-win situation?

5)V.E feels that having youngsters adds a WOW factor to the company.Our Car achiever average age group is around 20 to 23 years old.They usually start when they are 18 too.
If we have a car achiever that is 40 to 50 years old,isnt dat common?And we are teaching skills that anybody can learn.
P.S-We are a proud member of C.A.S.E and hav have an ISO 900 certificate to boast about.Not including a cert frm Japan to certify the benefits of our product.

I have just sth to say. Jus asking nia. How come go against VE? There are like MLMS everywhere. Why go against VE . People, pls dont be childish.Wasting time typing abt VE scam..blahblah.You can like , spend the time doing things that are more useful??Seen enough and heard enough. If you are not in it,i think you shld not say anything abt it. -.- You have to go thru things to know.Not just blindly behind the computer & talk abt it.It is so wrong.. Pls people, think. MLMS are everywhere. Why i dont see people talking abt other things . But why VE? The company is legal and upright. I just dont see any point about it. Pls, spend your time wisely.Stop spreading whatever rumours about it.If the company is a cheat,it will be closed down long ago.Common sense right.This is my views.You can choose to say back or argue back.But i firmly think what i say is MY VIEWS. AND you have no rights to say that what i said is wrong.Thank You Very Much.I am not siding anyone here.Get it right.I am just stating a fact. Think about it.

Posted by Passer* on 11 March, 2009 - 2:40am

Please... i just don't want ignorant people like you guys to spoil mlm or networking companys reputation.p.s act mature and professional thanks.

There is nothing wrong with MLM companies in Singapore, but if you take a look at Venture Era, in comparison with other MLM companies, you will notice that there are a lot of youngsters working there. Personally, I believe that these youngsters should prioratise their studies above their work, unless their families have financial difficulties, or working at a MLM company is their passion, which I strongly believe is not the case for most of them. I have experienced the way the employees try to promote the products, and I am totally against it, because they pressurize me to buy even when i kept insisting that I did not have the intention to buy anything from them, until the point where i had to walk out on them because one of them told me I HAVE TO buy the products today, because it was for my family. I really dislike the tactics they use to promote their products, and I am really saying it in a nice way already. It is not that I feel that Venture Era is a mistake, but i hope that they would sell the products sincerely for the society, for those who really need the products they offer, and not because YOUR FAMILY will be better off buying the product from us, so that the uplines can earn more while the downline gains some extra pocket money while his/her family loses some of their own income.
Putting the above topic aside, i would like to comment also on the company's recruitment tactics, on the fact that there are so many young people working, many of them still in their teens and studying. Sure, Venture Era has produced quite a number of amazing young people, but understand that before they find one of these potential next top Venture Era model, they had to call and interview hundreds maybe even thousands of students. It's like digging through the entire planet just to find all the diamonds in the world, which is ridiculous. Having so many students at Venture Era gave me an opinion that VEG is unprofessional and a hard to trust company. I mean, how many of the distributors of Venture Era products actually understand or do research on what they are actually selling? It is very sad because the recruitments that the company takes in is usually naive teenagers and youngsters who come from poor family backgrounds and are hungry for success in their life. At this point of time when the company is already quite establised, these youngsters are practically working on the losing end of the company, as there are so much more people working above them. I really hope that my message gets across to everyone, especially anybody working for Venture Era.

Hey, you can call this number to let more people know about this:

1800-355-1525

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 8 March, 2010 - 9:59am

Look... this is a trick by a sales agent from Venture Era. He's probably going to get your contact, tell you this and that, tell you to go to their company and see for yourself, then either recruit you or get you into the company. The worst thing about dealing with a network marketer is to create a network with him, i.e. leave your contact to him.

Posted by sunshinehasbecomesunset* on 7 February, 2009 - 8:43pm

Not siding the company or what. i myself is an agent at the company.people who hear secondary info from friends normally get misleaded.IF YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING,DON'T SPREAD RUMOURS. Sunshine Empire is indeed a scam.how ever, not all MLM are simillar.we have amway which is one of the top 10 in the world. Venture Era is legal and abide in the government R&R. Contact me for more info.

HAHA isn't it funny that a few days after this post is featured, another MLM company by the name of Sunshine Empire became Sundried Empire?

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 4 February, 2009 - 8:51pm

this is so wrong... just because you dun care abt something, you expect people to not know abt that something? what if that something is really bad as in the case of venture era... you expect people to not know abt it and fall to the trap? how much more self absorbed, self seeking, self centered can you get???? its so saddening, is the singapore blogosphere filled with self righteous, condescending and overassuming elitists that they have to nitpick on each other for the fun of it, and then assume mr po wrote this and that to defend himself??! is this part of the reason abs fizzled like a snail rubbed with salt??? if the posts too long and overwhelming for you just admit you got short attention span, either that or shut up. dun ask people not to read cos there are still people out there who dont know wads happening, and dis is precisely why companies like this are still around

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 3 February, 2009 - 10:21am

what a long comment. Did Mister Po post that himself to defend his pathetic, probably self-tomorrowed post, and his MLM church? Let's not waste time on this person (and his post) , guys.

Posted by dragonforce* on 3 February, 2009 - 5:28am

Indeed the post is "a waste of time" (by Kungfu) and, the topic is "passe" (by disgusting). But, the comment above mine by Anonymous Coward (if still present), about the church, I find it inappropriate for it to be a comment.

It is in matter of fact, a religious insult, and all sensibe Singaporeans will never want that to be seen in the eyes of themselves, their kids, or foreigners. Neither do any body in this world who is for world peace, wants this comment, or rather insult, to escalate to a civil war in Singapore.

Commenting to the first few comments, it is never truer when everyone has their different views. If a person from a working class reads it, he/she would have encountered this issue (MLMs in Singapore) countless times by friends, or worse, had an unpleasant experience with an MLM company or two. I feel that at that point of time, he/she had the curiosity to read on any other post on an MLM. Who doesn't want a stable job?

However, we have to consider the working class person's opinions. Colloquially, a sian-ed Singaporean who had countless experiences with MLM companies (directly: as a worker in it or indirectly: through mass media or friends), will be like: OMG. Thousands and thousands of times Singaporeans b*tch about the bl**dy MLMs! I had enough! They will instinctively comment: STF*/Stop rambling, idiot!/A new heap a rubbish/Sigh (from more negative to less negative).

If you have a child (imagine having one if you do not have one), he has potentially graduated from XXX School/College/University. He/she wants to bring some income to the family (amidst this time of financial turmoil), he/she doesn't want to be slacking. Or maybe it is his/her school term break, and he/she doesn't want to laze around in school.

HE/SHE takes the effort to look for a (part-time) job. Unfortunately, he/she was introduced to this MLM company (he doesn't know how an MLM works). Do you want, or do you not want him/her to chance upon this blog post by Mr Po?

The next scenario (he/she did not chance upon this post): he/she brings a health product to your house. Dad, mum; I've got a new job! Can you support me? Get this health product at X thousand dollars? It really helps! It's lab proven! Please!

Do you, or do you not, want to buy?
Do you, or do you not, want to discourage him?
Do you, or do you not, want to make him/her think that he/she is inferior to the society for being unable to sell something to his family member(s)?

Do you, or do you not, want him/her to chance upon this blog post by Mister Po?

Let me reiterate, everyone has their different views. You do not want Singaporeans to be pessimistic, and feel that comments are just to be full of caustic remarks.

I don't know if you feel this is correct but I feel so: When you have nothing good to say, don't say anything.

Posted by Kongfucius (I am no Confucius)* on 2 February, 2009 - 10:23pm

Fancy him dissing MLM when his church is the biggest MLM of them all!

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 1 February, 2009 - 10:04pm

this blogpost seems like a discontented teenager ranting about how a holiday job turned out wrong. Dude, i've googled venture era and nothing much was said about it. It makes me wonder if you didn't "tomorrow" and self-promote your own post to get hits. I closed the window after reading the first paragraph. What a waste of my time.

Posted by pixels* on 31 January, 2009 - 10:36pm

That topic is so passe.I cant believe tht post was actually featured. I totally agree with kungfu, get over it kid, be more interesting! Get a life and quit the pacifier. MLM companies are legal and have been there for years. Venture Era is totally legal if you look at it because they do not breech any law in Singapore, perfectly abide by them, and they do not charge any member fee (if i wasn't misinformed). If you don't understand the market and the trade, please save your comments because you're inviting shame to yourself and you're just making yourself a target to be arrowed (knowingly at that) by intelligent people who are well aware of the fact that MLM tactics are nothing new.

Posted by disgusting* on 31 January, 2009 - 10:27pm

ah, this venture era...most of my friends who are waiting for a-level results have been called to join their training sessions, offering loads of vacancies. and getting a decent job has been pretty hard for most of us, so many just take the job man.

Posted by kittygal* on 31 January, 2009 - 10:22pm

I am only wondering... what would the government be able to do for the consumers?

What a waste of time. Eat this, marketing tactics and MLMs are nothing new. Get over it.

Posted by Kungfu* on 31 January, 2009 - 8:49pm