June 04, 2006

All Ghosts Are Demons Against God?

Zyrius said:

Last Saturday, I attended what claimed to be Singapore's first supernatural workshop, organised by “Singapore Paranomal Investigators” and a group called “Supernatural”. It turned out to be a poorly conducted workshop, that left me fretting right from the beginning of its three hours. (By the way, it is definitely not the first of such workshops. There have been other talks on such matters based on religious perspectives, which are more interesting and helpful.) Here are reasons why the workshop was a failure...

Recommended by Anonymous Coward: "How lack of religious tolerance in Singapore can seep over to the supernatural."

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Maybe some answers can be found here http://www.chinkung.org/

Posted by TruthSeeker* on 29 June, 2006 - 9:47am

Let's not miss the point here
that the original blog is a plea
for religious harmony and tolerance.
May all be well and happy.

Posted by tuesblues* on 13 June, 2006 - 8:06pm

Where is the best place to look for answers?

Should one look for it in print? (Which book? There are many)
Should one look for it online? (Which website? There are many)
Should one look for truth using personal but continually improved objectivity?

Here're more ideas on the last above way to look for truth -
http://buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=12,2784,0,0,1,0

Posted by capslock* on 12 June, 2006 - 10:13pm

Looks like there is a long way to go before religions in singaopre can live in harmony with one another.

Is there a God? Frankly I don't know. That is the honest answer. For me anything else is just speculation. Let me offer you all a more workable question: Are you Happy?

I know where there is peace, love, compassion, kindness, forgiveness... etc. Happiness can be found. And all religons have those virtues.

And where there is anger, hate, intolerance, pride, greed... etc. Suffering can be found. And all wars and fighting are fought by ppl who harbour these demons. These are the Real Demons. All of us feel it, suffers from it, been both an agent and a victim of it. These are the real demons we should purge ourselves of.

The Buddha was once asked why do religious ppl fight with one another. The Buddha answered that its because of strong attachments to views. I personally knows that's true because whenever I argue and fight over religious believes, its always because i hold my views to be so precious that I will not allow anyone to challenge it. That my views are more impt then peace, happiness, compassion... etc. My attachement to my views has lead me down the path of anger, hate and pride!

These "Demons" are working against our peace and happiness! Let us thread carefully. :)

Posted by DA* on 13 June, 2006 - 12:01am

Well said! Peace!
Sometimes we need to agree to disagree.

Posted by capslock* on 13 June, 2006 - 12:14am

Yes, we agree to disagree. But we should not distort other people's religion validate our own beliefs.

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 3:53am

Is God a super rabbit horn, whatever that is? -
http://rabbithorn.blogspot.com/2006/06/is-god-super-rabbit-horn.html

Posted by TortoiseHair* on 12 June, 2006 - 7:49pm

Where is the best place to look for anwers to questions about God? Definitely not the wonderland of human imagination.

Posted by Anonymous* on 12 June, 2006 - 8:16pm
Posted by Anonymous* on 12 June, 2006 - 5:23pm

That website shows nothing except blatant ignorance about Christianity.

Posted by Anonymous* on 12 June, 2006 - 6:02pm

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

That's a fallacious argument. It's based on the premise that free speech means giving credence to all views, right or wrong.

It's like the school who teaches you both evolution and intelligent design, and tells you that you can't privilege one point of view over the other because it's a free country and all points of view deserve a fair and equal hearing.

The other thing is that in maths, zero is a special number. The relationship between many and 1 is not the same as the relationship between 1 and 0.

I dont think many of us are prepared to make that distinction.
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How can one claim he knows everythings about a person, if he is not the person himself? How can one decide whether a claim is true unless one knows the premises of that claim?

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 12:19am

Knows everything about what? And what premises?

For instance, if somebody says, "If God is all powerful, jump down that block of flats now and see if he can save you. If he doesn't, he isn't as powerful as you claim."

I would ask, does he know about temptation and testing God? Doesn't God have a choice? Who are we to tell him what to do? Does 'answering prayers' have to be a 'yes' answer? Can God say no or keep quiet if he chooses to? Are we God? Do we know what he is thinking or why he does (not) act as expected?

People tend to quote the Bible out of context without knowing the premises behind the passages. That to me amounts to distortion and inaccurate portrayal of a faith one knows little of to begin with. And in that case, it would be ironical to say one seeks to find enlightenment through knowledge.

I find it strange that some people have to "disprove" God/other religions in order to show what their own "faith" is. I don't go about distorting other people's faith in order to 'validate' my own beliefs. I don't have to.

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 3:37am

Whoever claims he can prove that God is imaginary has probably let his imagination run wild.

Posted by Anonymous* on 12 June, 2006 - 5:50pm

Can you prove Mother Goose is imaginary? Santa Claus? The Tooth Fairy?

Hey, I know what you are trying to do :). But it the first place, do they possess all the attributes of God? If not, it's a meaningless exercise.

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 12:14am

"Am I Jehovah, Allah, Brahma, Buddha, Zeus, Amon-Ra, Pele, Kim Jong Il, Quetzalcoatl, Odin, Zarathrustra, Anshar, that big tree over there, the Tooth Fairy... or just a figment of your imagination?" - God

Is there a "God" who claims to be all these?

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 3:50am

Much speculating here? Why do we need to speak for God, if he exists? What we all need is a detailed interview with God, if he exists - via the mass media, to convince absolutely everyone once and for all of his existence and to answer all doubts. That's all.

Fine with those who don't need such an interview.
Fine too with those who do not believe in past "interviews" claimed to be be worded by God. Fine too for those who think it's not right to have such an interview.
Fine too for those who think such an interview will never happen or can never happen.

Respect for each other's beliefs is all we need. Peace!

Posted by tab* on 13 June, 2006 - 9:39am

Interviewing God to be sure he exists is an oxymoron in the Christian faith. We may as well worship our favourite celebrity. I can't speak for other faiths. If one insists on proving God exists, then one would have missed the point, if he is truly earnestly seeking God in the first place.
"Is Jesus a jerk?" - I believe this question is found in a Buddhist website linked here.
Is that respect for others' religion? You will never find such questions about Buddha in the Bible.
And why not, "Is (name of your revered one) a jerk?"
Would you defend someone you love if he is being blasphemed with something you feel is outrageous. If you don't, it reflects on your faith.
And by linking religious sites to this thread, isn't that "proselytizing" too?
Respect :)

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 5:40pm

Jesus is seen with high regards in Buddhism actually. There are buddhist books comparing Jesus's sayings with that of the Buddha. Many famous Buddhist leaders like the Dalai Lama has very high regards for Jesus too. In fact all highly respected Buddhist leaders i know off has high regards for him.

But there are a minoirity of buddhist who do have little respect for him. Learn a religion from those who practice it well. :)

Posted by Coward Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 6:54pm

Woah.... careful here.
"Is Jesus a Jerk?" was not in any Buddhist link here.
It is at "god is imaginary .com" < not hyperlinked here out of respect.

"Would you defend someone you love if he is being blasphemed with something you feel is outrageous. If you don't, it reflects on your faith."

Yes. Thus this reply. Peace!

Posted by Tolle* on 13 June, 2006 - 6:41pm

If the person who hyperlinked it here and those who are responsible for the website are not Buddhists, then I offer my apologies.

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 7:04pm

you are a stupid blur fuck. if you bother to even browse through the site- which i am sure you didn't because you pre-judged it as being blashemous; you will know that it is an American site.

It is certainly not a Buddhist site, nor indeed, could it be affiliated with any organised religion. it is basically a rationalist site.

Posted by Random Person88* on 14 June, 2006 - 11:41pm

Are you a Buddhist? Do you know those website owners?

Simple yes or no answers will suffice. After all, you would not expect a person you regard as stupid to understand complex answers :)

Shalom :)

Posted by Anon* on 14 June, 2006 - 11:48pm

the word shalom has been butchered by too many people
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A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stirs up anger`

Visceral, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have taken the initiative to say shalom, but I can't force anyone to accept it :) (or my smile)

Shalom :)

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:52am

I speak with a condescending tone as well. But I do not do it with a smile. that would be insincere
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`And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also`

It is not so much insincere as being vulgar and lacking in finesse.

Posted by Anonymous Coward88* on 15 June, 2006 - 4:41pm

is this relevant/constructive to the topic with ur supposingly "learned" one-liner?

u are just trying too hard... trying too hard...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 15 June, 2006 - 1:59am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just like whether I choose to see your intentions as well-meaning or skeptical. I choose the former. You have you way of expressing yourself, I have mine.

And I stand by what I have said. My conscience is clear and the truth will prevail.

Shalom :)

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 1:48am

Not to mention all the smiley faces.

As the Chinese saying goes, "the smile hides a sword".

Posted by Random Person88* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:23am

y u keep bring "Buddhist" into this discussion.. and clearly that site is not a "buddhist" site...

what is ur hidden agenda?

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 14 June, 2006 - 11:59pm

No agenda Monkey, just clarification :)

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:03am

clarification on wat basis??

if i claim ur cock is only 1cm ... am i seeking clarification from u that is longer than 1cm?

u are making accusation without any basis pretending to be asking qns...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:13am

the smartest person become fools in the face of their religion.

Posted by Random Person88* on 14 June, 2006 - 11:57pm

NO for the last time I am not a fucking Buddhist.

And didn't you read my email. I opined that the site is clearly NOT a Buddhist one. My best guess is that it is put up by some American rationalist, free thinkers group (or person).

Posted by Random Person88* on 14 June, 2006 - 11:56pm

I rest my case :)

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:01am

rest what case? What case did you have? I have told you at least three times that I am not Buddhist.

Don't be condescending and disingenuous. you rest a case only when the other party is contradicting himself or said things that have proved your point.

Posted by Random Person88* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:13am

Really, go and read the whole thread and whatever else you need to read, and think about what you are doing in a multi-religious context, whether you know the website owners, whether the act of linking controversial stuff here is well-meaning/malicious/good/bad/wise/unwise, especially if you do not belong to any group, whether you should speak on behalf of others, whether you know what you are saying about Christianity, your logic etc.

Up to you whatever you wish to say about me. Whether you or Monkey think there is an agenda, or discussion or accusations, whatever you think 'rest my case is', the language you wish to use etc.

I will not reply anymore nor is there a need to defend myself. This is clearly getting nowhere and yes, I rest my case.

Shalom :)

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:39am

i have read the whole thread... and this is what i found...

Anon : "Is Jesus a jerk?" - I believe this question is found in a Buddhist website linked here.
Is that respect for others' religion? You will never find such questions about Buddha in the Bible.
Tolle : "Is Jesus a Jerk?" was not in any Buddhist link here.
Anon : Are you a Buddhist? Do you know those website owners?
Monkey : y u keep bring "Buddhist" into this discussion.. and clearly that site is not a "buddhist" site...
Anon : I rest my case :)

so instead of proving that site owner is Buddhist... he make a wild accusation... and we have to prove that the site owner is not "Buddhist" by knowing the site owner??!!

what toking him?? rest wat case??

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 15 June, 2006 - 1:44am

Don't be sanctimonious. The cheek of you to talk about Singapore multi-religiousity when you are the one who is constantly accusing people of being a Buddhist and insinuating that they have an ulterior motive in contributing in this thread.

And I have been contributing to this thread from the beginning and I have read every single post.

Finally, please don't say you rest your case when you don't even have one to begin with.

Posted by Random Person88* on 15 June, 2006 - 12:51am

have you considered the possibility that he is an impious troll with his own motives
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Hahaha! Finally, something that keeps me awake. I am going to be entertained...

Posted by Anon* on 15 June, 2006 - 1:58am

ur "laugther" cannot hide the fact that u r pwned...

now answer... is there a "case" to start with??

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 15 June, 2006 - 3:22am

some of us probably love our celebrities more than the deities we proclaim to love but cant see. you cant be a celebrity without some measure of worship
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`Voting reached frenzied levels as 1.1 million votes were received during the two-hour voting period`

Brangelism anyone?

Posted by Anonymous* on 13 June, 2006 - 7:14pm