February 05, 2006

Offensive responses

Agagooga said:

"MUIS says that in Singapore, no one is allowed to ridicule or cast aspersions on the faith of a person under the cloak of free expression."

Does that mean I can't mock the Flat Earth Society?

How about question the Church of Scientology?

Can I object to Creationism, since it is based on people's faith?

Recommended by Anonymous Coward: "Where does the line between criticism/commentary and offensiveness lie? And why does religious fury at perceived slights appear disproportionate (and bent towards threats and acts of violence rather than reasoned rebukes) to the supposed offence? And why the double standards, where religious claims have immunity from all criticism? "

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[jseng: any offensive cartoons (or links) will be removed. Like it or not, we are subjected to Singapore law.]
Submitted by Anonymous Coward on February 03//11:19pm and published by jseng, shianux :: 3588 reads | trackback (20)
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Trackback from Isreali Jews make their own anti-Semitic cartoons!:

A Danish paper publishes a cartoon that mocks Muslims. An Iranian paper responds with a Holocaust cartoons contest - - Now a group of Israelis announce their own anti-Semitic cartoons contest!...

Trackback from Volokh Conspiracy: Reaction to the Cartoons Descends into Unintentional Self-Parody:

...it's not just that we aren't supposed to draw pictures of Mohammed as terrorist, or of Mohammed at all; we aren't even supposed to draw pictures that are obviously not of Mohammed, and that are meant to mock the inability to draw pictures of Mohammed....

Trackback from Anonymous_X:

I somewhat draw the parallel with the movie “Kingdom of Heaven”. In the ending, when Jerusalem was recaptured by the Moslems army, there was a scene when Balian, the city defender asked Saladin, the leader of the conquering army....

Trackback from Q&A with the Danish Foreign Ministry:

The Danish Foreign Ministry answers some questions regarding the Prophet Muhammad cartoons that have angered so many Muslims around the world....

Trackback from Fear dominates Western culture in the face of militant Islam (registration required):

It is a great mistake - made out of ignorance - to assume that those who shout the loudest are the most representative....

after actually viewing the cartoons, i do think those pple are overreacting. really. it's just like those cartoons that pokes fun at george bush and stuff.

I'm sure the Muslims have a much higher opinion of their own Prophet compared to the American's opinions of their wonderful president.

Trackback from Michelle Malkin: The Muhammad Cartoons Blogburst:

[...] a very useful road map for the enormous number of Internet users around the world who are trying to find the cartoons...

Trackback from Aljazeera.Net:

Iran's largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad....

Trackback from Gateway Pundit: ** Danish Imams Busted! **:

When asked about these additional cartoons, Imam Ahmad Abu Laban said they were from threatening letters...Tonight blogger Dennis Nixon identified one of the "cartoons". Imam Ahmad Abu Laban,... this is NOT a picture of Muhammad!...

I agree. Some level of hypocracy, double standards and doublethink is inevitable. After all, how many people stop to think through their beliefs instead of acting well um...viscerally (sorry visceral, no pun or slight intended).

But my biggest fear is this. How does this not legitimise violence as an effective tool for censorship? I mean, it would prove disturbing if CIA agents were to start knocking on the doors of cartoonist (including that ST guy) who mock and ridicule President Bush.

It happens all the time. & we have the benefit of professional spin doctors in this age
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"On the micro- and mesolevel of social interaction, legitimacy is directly connected with solidarity and loyalty among political groups and the enthusiasm or acquiescence of the masses. Conversely, delegitimation is an emotional and cognitive condition that prevails when elite political activists are divided and uncertain and when masses move from alienated disaffection to acts of opposition" Randall Collins

Do you happen to have the full citation for that? I'm thinking of including it in an upcoming assignment.

Randall Collins. 1999. Macrohistory Essays in sociology of the long run Stanford University Press (isbn 0-8047-3600-6)
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Last I checked, there was one copy of it at Kino@orchard. The extract is from Chapter 2: The geopolitical basis of revolution: the prediction of the soviet collapse (page 49)
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0804736006/103-3506227-4092669?v=glance&n=283155

Ah much thanks. The Central Library at NUS should probably have it.

thats probably the one library in town that has the journal of female sexuality

Not to mention our eLibrary is great! I'm not sure what the situation is like over at the other univerisites but I'm pretty sure they get similar access.

So much to read, so little time....

why is religion so privileged , so exalted above all other stupid ideas that it is beyond criticism or ridicule? really, so I ought to have a religion that people who says stupid unempirical, unassertable, unprovable things should be stoned to death .

Posted by Anonymous Coward 8* on 6 February, 2006 - 11:34pm

Because faith and gullibility are merely 2 sides of the same coin. And there are a lot of faithful believers out there.

"Because faith and gullibility are merely 2 sides of the same coin."

by faith, i believe that statement to be true.

well said.

Because in spite of everything it does more good than bad.

And because it's been there, and possession is nine tenths of the law.

"I ought to have a religion that people who says stupid unempirical, unassertable, unprovable things should be stoned to death ."

what a stupid thing to say. he that hath no sin, let him cast the first stone.

But only if the ostensible followers of the religion that saith it, actually followeth it.

If not, then the Golden Rule should apply, Do unto others as others would onto you. Why should my 'beliefs' be questioned but not theirs? It results in intolerant having an advantage by having their cake, eating it and selling the remains for profit.

because it is able to mobilise public sentiment and incite violent mobs to do terrible things
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The Rabbis say: Now if someone comes and wants to be a convert, say to him: `why do you want to be a convert. dont you know that the Israelites are harried, hounded, persecuted and harassed and that they suffer many troubles?` If he replies: `I know that and I am not worthy`, then they receive him without further argument

Trackback from BBC NEWS | UK | Police examine protest footage:

Banners waved during a demonstration in London on Friday featured slogans including "Europe, your 9/11 will come" and - in an apparent reference to the four July 7 suicide bombers - "Europe you will pay, fantastic 4 are on their way"....

Trackback from From a Singapore Angle:

I like this piece by Mark Steyn so much I just have to quote a couple of extracts...

Trackback from Wikipedia - Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy:

Get your accurate news here....

Trackback from Tomorrow Editor Encourages Ridiculing Religious Faiths:

What shudders me most, in one sweeping question, this tomorrow editor implies that to ridicule one’s religious faith is okay and should be encouraged since to ridicule is to practice critical thought....

The author has yet to explain when does criticism become 'valid' and when does it become 'casting aspersion'.

- The Janitor

thats another can of worms to be opened. Lets hope the casualties remain few
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"There is no such thing as a philsophy-free science; there is only science whose philosophical baggage is taken onboard without examination" Daniel Dennett

Yeh man. I have to admit the urge to shoot back a snide comment was becoming overwhelming.

I mostly shoot a lot of other things instead, often shorting out my keyboard. That is why I appear sporadically (like my ability to erect).

while factual truthful (agagoga is an editor of Tomorrow), i could change the title to "Singaporean Encourages Ridiculing Religious Faiths" and still remain "truthful". ha ha ha.

sometimes, I almost suspect you are a mole with a mission to denigrate the blogging community. I am probably wrong
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"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Albert Einstein

The same thing happened to StudentSketchpad when they did a parody on the Supply side Jesus. Ha.

Religion is like fire. Don't play play. Haha.

Posted by Anonymous Coward*** on 6 February, 2006 - 1:49am

Trackback from sg_ljers community:

About freedom of the press, about inter-ethnic/religious harmony/tolerance....

The person who blew this matter into a world's matter is a paranoid, paraNOID.. PARANOID!

Super religious pharasees I must say. Enough of chaos already. Can't they just chill and be harmonious?

Damn...

Trackback from Atypical Singaporean:

Drawing cartoons making fun of people's religion is the last thing that would promote understanding between different religions. ...

But you see, if some stupid people could just see beyond themselves and not unnecessarily blow such a small matter up in the first place, nobody outside of Denmark would have known about the cartoons. Now the whole world and their mother are googling for said cartoons.

Orhbigood lor.

Yeah, but why wouldn't they want the world to know about something that has offended them?

Just hazarding a guess, but quite possibly, because the rest of the world doesn't really give a flying f?

Look, if we were all going to go around burning flags because something offends us, then flagmakers are going to be very rich.

I'm offended at how Nigerian scams are still being carried out, but you don't see me burning their flag no?

Why would this be publicised if the world doesn't really give an f? There will be people who know that you're not supposed to draw pictures of the prophet are probably shaking their heads about how the cartoonists could be so dumb.

The flag burning thing: flag burning is about protest against governments, not people. Furthermore they are directed against a specific government, and Nigeria is not the only country with swindlers.

Maybe the guys who drew the cartoon didn't understand what they were doing but drawing pictures of the prophet is offensive. You think it's harmless but it's offensive, it's a bit like eating pork.

It doesn't matter whether muslims elsewhere have been engaging in demogogy against other religions, fact is two wrongs don't make a right. You step on somebody's toes, just mutter an apology and get the hell out of here. Just like me, an ostrich. I'm very good at getting the hell out of here.

Best you can do in this situation is to sit back, keep quiet, and let the storm pass.

Trackback from Exceptionalism and hypocrisy: why silencing religious criticism is bad for everyone:

It must also be noted that the double standards practiced by those who criticise the caricatures is rather glaring, when the Arab press publish anti-Semitic and racist cartoons on a regular basis....

Trackback from Sticky Issues: The Cartoon War:

I believe in a just God, a merciful God, a caring God. I believe in a God who gave us the most precious of gifts, free will. An inescapable consequence of free will is the need for freedom of expression. How can this be blasphemous?...

Trackback from Singapore Ink: The cartoon war: necessary provocation?:

It’s a peculiar and Singaporean form of conservatism and apathy to blithely dismiss anything like this as just so much unnecessary provocation, rather than connect it to prior incidents and trends......

Trackback from Singapore Ink: The cartoon war:

The implied double standard is that the Muslims reserve the right to protest any publication or act anywhere that’s offensive to Muslims, while they can say whatever they want against other religions....

Trackback from The Legal Janitor:

Blogger brought in for questioning over sex education criticism Gong Jiao Way The Fake Times Friday, 03 February 2006 A blogger, known as The Legal Janitor, has been brought in for questioning by the police after complaints were made over his posts cri......

not many will agree with you that allan the green and great spender who is an intellectual of perhaps few equals have not done much damages in the world arena.

Posted by illionist* on 5 February, 2006 - 8:16pm