December 07, 2005

C'mon Let's All Bash Tomorrow.sg

We stated before, the editors are planning to continue to maintain her blog and also print out her blog as a book for her family. Some of you agreed and some of you disagreed with what we do. Differences in opinions are expected in any large community. Nevertheless, we have spoken to her family and at this moment, we intent to fulfill our promises to them. If you believe in what we do and would like to take part, please do. If you don't, that's okay with us.

Unfortunately, the discussion thread on that the previous entry taken on a twist into a Tomorrow.sg/Editors bashing on a variety of issues by a handful of people. However, I do not feel the entry honoring our friend is the place to do the bashing so I've taken the liberty to shift those discussions to this entry.

Feel free to continue to bash us here but please the memories of our friend alone.

Thank you.

Submitted by jseng on December 07//6:32pm :: 21590 reads | trackback (11)
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Nice site - pity you have to go to such lengths to moderate it.
I am from Qatar and too bad know English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "It just like any other kind of dating that goes on."

Thank you so much for your future answers :(. Keiki.

Hi, is there an address we can send a cheque to, for those of us with no credit card or paypal accounts?

I do not presume to know Sondra very well, or understand her last wishes. But I can relate to the dilemma.

Writing speaks across time to reveal your thoughts and inner heart, that photos and mementos can never do. I would want to keep the blog one of my family has wrote. And I would want very much for my family to keep my blog after I am gone.

It would be a permanent keepsake for Sondra's family and the next generation -- there was once a person called Sondra -- remember me.

*edited because it seems untimely*

Trackback from Cobalt Paladin:

Even though tomorrow.sg was a an idea borne during a bloggers dinner but it has evolved to become a very significant landscape of Singapore cyberspace...

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call it an internal evolution. meeting two friends from across the straits of johor was a night to remember: it’s been a hell of a long time since i had a smile on my face when driving back home. our discussions are secret, of course, but i as......

In every forum we go to we see flame wars.
Shouldn't it be time that EVERYONE sees that the coin has TWO sides and lands to show only ONE? We all have our own opinions as to how things should be done to the best of our/everybody/a friend's interests and its impossible to cater to everyone's wishes just as its impossible to make the coin end up on both sides facing upwards. Lets all just exercise a bit more restrain and less anger and bring this whole episode to an end. The editors of tomorrow.sg have decided on their course of action and frankly theres nothing much any of us can do about that. Lets just give everyone else the benefit of the doubt that things were done in the best interests of a friend who has passed away. Let the dead rest in peace ok?

Wah, 3000+ comments...

so young, so much anger.

damn the marijuana sellers! T.sg editors dahlink, don't worry la, no sweat ma... just delete all their useless comments and go on with the book, there, summarised liew rite? why bother people spam so much? aiyor, got better things to do at home right, like play WoW or polish nails or go get haircut or go drink alcohol ma, argue here oso, haiyer, you think i so crazy wan read those 3000++ comments meh? more like chat-logs liew lo...damn bo liew leh Sg ppl...

aiyer christmas coming already ma..."love [MUST] be in the air", paham not? whoa liew you comenters oso have some heart can not? i think sondra up there shaking her head lo, see you all create havoc on earth like dis, shame shame la i tell you. go dig holes and hideyour heads inside the holes can? or if not, go geylang hide your heads in whore-cheebyes oso not bad la, but must pay money la. :(

btw, i support the project hor. peace out, y'all hommies!

There are only 524 comments including mine.

Posted by Anonymous Coward - so what?* on 9 December, 2005 - 11:30am

Here's another interesting point.

For all the furore and criticisms, those who are critical against us make their postings only from a limited number of IP addresses.

Interesting isn't it? These who claim that they have 'popular support'. Makes you wonder who these handful of people are.

- The Janitor

show us the ip address of each post then... i dare u...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 8:51pm

Show me yours and I'll show you mine ;)

- The Janitor

"For all the furore and criticisms, those who are critical against us make their postings only from a limited number of IP addresses"??!!!

???... another false claim??

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:06pm

Oh yes, it is most intelligent of me to publicise a false claim here in the comments. You do realise how childish it is to dare people to do things? Some things are not mine to give.

I am beginning to believe that you really ARE still in kindergarten.

- The Janitor

no evidents to support... hmm..

but i got evidents to support i not in kindergarden....:P

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:13pm

Well, like I said, some things are not mine to give.

- The Janitor

then it is not urs to claim to... let the owner come and claim for himself...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:21pm

That is not true. I am stating what I know. But stating what I know is different from having the legal right to provide evidence of what I know.

- The Janitor

i am stating that many post of different ip against jseng's idea... But stating what I know is different from having the legal right to provide evidence of what I know. can i state that too??

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:43pm

Of course! No one is stopping you from saying what you want to say.

- The Janitor

It's just as well that you've renamed yourself the janitor instead of a wannabe lawyer.

Because no self respecting lawyer would bring up the issue of IP addresses if he didn't have a good idea of what to do with that issue.

If you had a purpose behind bringing up the issue of IP addresses, I don't see it.

That's fair. You cannot say however, that just because you cannot see it necessarily means that there is no reason behind it.

- The Janitor

Yeah, but not to point out something that is to your advantage is also unbecoming of a good lawyer so isn't it the same in the end?

I think tomolo's mistake is lumping everybody to be "editors".

Clearly, jseng doesn't make the cut. The words he has used to respond to some of the comments are just too crude to be coming from an editor.

Also, his writings (on his blogs as well) are full of grammatical errors. Which editor writes with this level of language ability?

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 8 December, 2005 - 5:15pm

Oh? And who made you Chief Warden of Her Majesty's English?

For someone who criticises another's english language ability, you're no Shakespeare either.

- The Janitor

jseng doesn't make the cut because:
1. he's a semi-civil servant - which i think some of us over here would have already know
2. he's orang malaysia/malaysian lah

so now you know.

At least Orang Malaysia is better than Orang Utan, another anon.

- The Janitor

If you have issues with anoynomous comments, let me give you guys a hint, disallow anoynomous comments.

You can't whine about something that the editors have allowed in the first place

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:00pm

And how did you come to the conclusion that anyone is whining about anonymous comments?

- The Janitor

i like to thank Jseng for creating a "spreaker corner" thread to keep alive the spirit of freedom of speech... PAP already did that a few yrs ago... i think its in hong lim park...

will you guys get to see jseng.. and his fellow editor comment here from now?? well... is as good as seeing our minister debating a lone speaker in hong lim park... they are of cos too high for it...

long live freedom of speech!!

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 4:12pm

Yes, and the monkeys have taken over the zoo.

- The Janitor

at least monkey wun ask visitors to the zoo to "GTFO"...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 8:56pm

No, but they stink like hell.

- The Janitor

u smell before??!!

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:03pm

it's kinda obvious that the zoo is stinky, right?

hehe... if its stink... and u dun like it... why u wanna visit the zoo?? u should "XXXX"... ask jseng whats that 4-letter word...

Posted by Anonymous monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:53pm

Of course, your presence here creates an unpleasant stench...

- The Janitor

so i should "GTFO too??... :)

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:09pm

That is your choice! I wouldn't dare to force you to do what you wouldn't want to do. Please do be considerate though.

I'm trying my best to hold my breath.

- The Janitor

be more direct.... many are reading now...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:19pm

How much more direct do you want me to be? I mean what I said literally.

I have no power, or ability to tell you what to do. I can only pray that you do not try to cause trouble. That is all.

- The Janitor

You see what I mean? even shianux is acting like an idiot now. Please la, just shut up. There may be just "a handful" of ip addresses opposing you, but there seem to be even fewer ppl supporting you

Posted by Anonymous Coward* on 9 December, 2005 - 10:55am

How am I acting like an idiot?

I am stating that I cannot do anything if people wish to post insulting or inflammatory comments. I cannot tell them what to do, nor can I prevent them from posting here.

I am merely hoping people will not cause trouble.

If that is acting like an idiot, then you might want to think about what being an idiot means.

- The Janitor

i am here to see how beng/seng this jseng is... i never post much before this "GTFO" saga... u can see my ip... do check it out... so dunnit accuse me of long anti-tommorow.sg historyif u ever have any doubt...

i would like to meet him in next great gathering he gonna organize... in person...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:33pm

civilised ppl of cos dun fight now... i just like to meet someone who ask dissents to GTFO.. but of cos if he say GTFO to my face.. then thats a different story...

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 8 December, 2005 - 9:36pm

As I have stated before time and again, there is a clear difference between dissent and troublemaking.

- The Janitor

Dr chee thinks he is a dissent...
Gov thinks he is a troublemaker...
i think he is too... but not everyone might think the same way as me...

get the idea?

Posted by Anonymous Monkey* on 9 December, 2005 - 8:26am

the only difference is within the indivituals head and their own view..

Posted by Anonymous monkey* on 9 December, 2005 - 8:11am

geekgeek,

You are such a CBF. CC's log is his own. He can post whatever he likes so long as he does not infringe on the various rules set by the gahman. I mean, who are you to decide what he can post and what he can't.

You and the rest of the nincompoops, retards and obtuse goons have so far done nothing but critise and ostracize him and to a greater extend JS's action. Regardless of the fact that you are a friend of the deceased or not, you do not know what the deceased wants (unless you are telling me that she has visited you in a dream and asked you to go on a crusade to prevent this or to expedite that).

As such, I say I say, js, cc, do whatever you guys want and feel it is right in rememberence of a friend. Although I do not agree with some of the BS that you guys put up, I think these critical dingbats like geekgeek and the rest of the motley crew are way out of line on this one. Simple rule: Do not like the management editors, stop reading the website. No one is forcing you to type the URL and hit return.

Agnes

Posted by AGNES TAN ZAI MU* on 8 December, 2005 - 4:11pm

so you are saying that IF PERSONAL FREINDS of the deceased don't like what they read about these Editors talked about, they MUST ALSO KEEP QUIET CANNOT ARGUE ISIT?

with a name like Mu (as in mooooo), there's no need to wonder.

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