I don't understand why do ppl have to drag the church into the picture. I'm not from CHC but i believe at the end of the day it's up the the church members to decide if they wish to buy her album. The church may be distributing her albums and tickets for free but still, you are not at knife-point to BUY her albums.

No one says a pastor cannot become a singer. A pastor cannot have her own dreams to fufil. Given the opportunity, of course she would grab the chance and go for it, anyone would! Her husband, voluntarily, gave up taking any pay from the church and still serves the church faithfully. At least he bothered to take actions against speculations.

Whether you support sun ho is up to individual. You like her, you buy her album, you don't like her then so be it. No one derserves to be dissed by anyone. Especially if they don't even know you exist. Yet you can happily sit behind the computer screen typing out degrading and malicious comments about them-in this case, sun ho.

You don't understand why ? Then probably you're not a Christian.

If she calls herself a Christian, then I see absolutely no reason why she's making it such big deal in debuting in the States. Because Christians live for God, and we're called to be the living testimonies of God. I don't see any value in her image as a nightclub dancer or whatsoever you call it in her MV because it doesn't make people want to even believe that there's a God who's involved if her life (if it even is true). Yes you can argue that she's not doing it for evangelism purposes but in the Bible, we LIVE to GLORIFY Him. You may find this absurd if you're a non-believer but you're of no position to criticise because you don't understand our basis for all these. It's just like how the Koreans find it rude if one doesn't greet his senior and how the Americans find it absolutely fine by greeting with kisses because it's their culture. Likewise, you wldn't understand the basis of Christianity if you aren't a Christian. AND, the point here is she IS a Christian, I don't think she has renounced her faith as yet ? So why is she doing all these for her own selfish reasons ? Yeah sure someone enlighten me and tell me how awesome a testimony as a Christian she is bringing across with her absolutely sexy moves in China Wine, eh ? (I'm being sarcastic here if you don't even get it.)

I absolutely agree with you JENNIFER!

If you people out there are not a true christian you wont understand. If there are so much controversies on the churh and the pastor's wife there must be a reason.

CHC is a deluded church! they bring shame to true christians and the mislead the rest of the world what a true christian is.....

haha., you are funny yea! How you know about her? You understand every thing of what's she is going through. Such people like you are the hardship she has. Christian means lock up in the room and do your quiet time only? You are to glorify God, go in God's way, she is called in that area! Now Christian are going into pop culture. you are to get the world save much more than critising Sun Ho here? what's right do you have to judge people. Tell me what you understand about her and what you know God spoke to her? The truth will be in the light. So it has been so long out there? Does she seems fake to you? if it was fake it should have be reveal. Listen to her heart, what's for purpose for it!

Hi people, stop criticising people. Treat the way you would like to be treated. God is a good god.

"God is a good god."

I have to do a double-take on this.

"God is good." cf "God is a good god."

What is the difference? Can you tell which is the biblical view of God?

If you aren't a Christian, then ignore this.

I think if they stop praising or hyping incessantly to get attention, few would bother to criticize.

hi Jennifer.
i stumbled across this post and saw your comment.
i am a Christian too buti think you took some of the biblical ideas too narrowly.

"I don't see any value in her image as a nightclub dancer or whatsoever you call it in her MV because it doesn't make people want to even believe that there's a God who's involved if her life (if it even is true)."

have you even checked out all the humanitarian works she's doing all over the world?
wouldn't it be absurdity for anybody to ignore all the REAL things she's doing and to think God is not real just because of, like you said, an MV?
even putting those aside, the fact is people respect a professional artist; and she's being one when she took on the role seriously.
non-Christians are much less judgemental than you are/think
and they see God all over in the things she's doing, both her REAL works and her professionalism in the entertainment industry.
just read up on the things she's been doing
getting millsions saved.

"You may find this absurd if you're a non-believer but you're of no position to criticise because you don't understand our basis for all these."
think about it. if non-Christians find what she's doing glorified and only Christians find it a problem - isn't the problem with those Christians?
standing for what you believe doesn't mean putting others down.

"So why is she doing all these for her own selfish reasons ? Yeah sure someone enlighten me and tell me how awesome a testimony as a Christian she is bringing across with her absolutely sexy moves in China Wine, eh ?"
selfish means.. haha.. now i know you really haven't checked out anything before you comment.
what's she got, huh?
money? she gives her proceeds away you know that?
fame? when she's criticised by her own country by people like you? why don't you try being "selfish" then?
i hope i didn't waste my time talking to you.

Have you ever thought about whether her "humanitarian" deeds have been drawing attention and worship to herself or God?

City harvest is nothing but a cult which preaches the heretical prosperity gospel. They represent all that is antichrist and are an insult to God and christianity.

City harvest gives christianity in singapore a bad name.
November 22nd, city harvest will be inviting a heretic and a well known fraud, benny hinn, to come and preach at their asia conference.

benny hinn has long been widely criticised in prominent newspapers, articles, media, internet, etc.

no matter what nonsense in your mind will soon but perish. truth will reveal, cause God is fair. If CHC is a cult it wouldn't stay so strong for 17 going 18 year right?! If it is a cult why wouldn't have Singapore government tear it down?! Hello, speaking in tongues is the sign of believing in the Holy Spirit. Not cult, be wise pleas!

Aiya, you call people (self-)righteous, then aren't you also guilty of it yourself and being judgmental.

Anyway, not all people crave fame, fortune, power etc. and are therefore jealous of big beautiful 'celebs' or churches and criticise them lah. Not everybody is that shallow lah.

Peer pressure is real to impressionable young people. Power gets lots of things done too. They believe in suing the ones who are part of their flock but may not agree with what they are doing too. Happened to one man who spoke out against them a few years back.

And I thought pastors and counsellors believe in counselling instead of suing.

That one is not suing. If they sue, they should go court. That guy finally realised that he gave out incorrect info. Very funny, most of u say that they should correct/address this kind of media attention, then now u guys say they shouldn't sue (which they didn't)... I very confused by u guys liao la...

I've read through all of your arguments and comments about Sun Ho and I would like to add sth about what I've read on Lime magazine few years back.
Sun claimed that she had never asked CHC fellow members to regards her as 'PASTOR SUN'. Well well well, so why in the first place she had never corrected the members including me to address her as Mdm Ho instead of Pastor? It's pethatic, man... now Sun is a singer and then she could say this word.
It's indeed that she's helped lots of families and orphans and it's indeed that she's a good counsellor.. but what she has done just to get famous was totally wrong.
I had her albumS because i'm asked to support her, I'm haunted day and nite and esp. when i was at church, well do u think i have other choice to not to buy?
Sun Ho's album can be on the top because her husband bought back above 50% of her albums.. (FYI) and let me tell u, after i bought, i even got few cdS of hers FREE!
and for the concert ticketS, I got alot... 20 and they are FREE... i got it from church also.. people ask me to distribute.. ck ck ck..
in every church session, we were 'ASKED' to pray for her.. so if you want to interpret the word 'ASKED' in differently, it's up to u.

That's just my comment.

Member of CHC

so why are you still a chc member then?

Yo dude, I don't know much about Singapore and wat's happening around here dude. Lets just cool it and enjoy the music man. Aren't we supposed to comment about the music and Sun as a singer??? Let's get this party pimping dudes!!!

CHC member,

you sure are digging out all the past out to prove your stand.
im not too sure if that's being biased but...
whats the issue about supporting & praying for your church member?
if you were to set up a business, will you not tell your friends and family members about it and get them to support you?

i dont see anything wrong about her singing career and supporting her in what she's doing in the entertainment world.

what can we singaporeans do is to really give them our best support as they make their name for singapore overseas! just like for stefanie sun and tanya chua.
this is not a church thing, its a global thing.
they make us proud!

I am also Singaporean. Please pledge to buy your rice, salt, oil, meat, car, house, insurance and coffin from me to show your support for a fellow Singaporean.

OH sure.. but what's your contribution to Singapore, or to any part of society so far?
check the scale man.. the scale~

What is sun ho's contribution to Singapore? Is Singapore indebted to her China Wine geisha reputation? Is it very edifying? You think it is big deal influencing our young to behave the way she does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twxf2LraoEE

are you a girl? you mean you would become a geisha because you saw a star playing a geisha role on a show? that's pathetic of you.

You mean you dunno the dynamics of fan clubs, superstars and their influential powers, fans who are idol wannabes, etc? You dunno there are girls who would spend indiscriminately just to get that dress worn by so-and-so, or the hairstyle that is the in-thing of celebrities? Don't have to be geisha to behave or look like one lah.

Who's really pathetic now?

You were "forced" to support her album? And you claimed to be a CHC member? You make CHC sound like an institution where one cannot make up their own mind and make their own decision! You make it sound like you are so mentally weak that you are "haunted" day and night to buy her album. You know what? If you are feeling being "forced" so much (poor baby!) and whining here, you should just vote with your two feet. Get a grip, and get a life, please.

City harvest is a cult. They follow anti-christ values and is a church of the world.

LOL.. this is the most childish comment i read in the forum..
check your facts dude..

Childish? You want facts, here is one - the prosperity gospel message is not biblical and CHC subscribes to it. Either you substantiate the prosperity gospel with Biblical arguments, or deny CHC preaches that. If not, do not label anyone who opposes it vocally as childish.

Accusing others of being childish without basis says a lot about you.

Hi, im from a methodist church and i studied some religious studies when i was younger and i dunno abt u or chc, but i dont see anything wrong with living a life of abundance. Afterall God did promise that if we sought Him first He would bless us.

Afterall, in the garden of Eden, God did create gold, everything on earth in fact. The devil didnt create anything, the only thing he can create is trouble, lies or whatever.

Abraham was rich in livestock, goods and lands. Solomon's temple in today's currency, if im not wrong close to a billion US dollars if you convert gold to today's currency. i cant rem the article on the net but i did my research.

God owns everything, so in terms of networth if u want to put it, He's right at the top. His throne is filled with jewels and the streets of heaven are paved with gold.

This whole chc prosperity thing puzzles me. if they're indeed a cult (unblibical) church, sooner or later they would close, i mean, why worry? God is not dumb right? A cult church wouldnt be blessed in the first place, since any tree that doesnt bear fruit will be cursed, cut down and burned.

so far, there hasnt been any proven report of chc using its funds for something else. that church is quite high profile, not just regionally but globally. one mistake and itll be a big hoohah by now..

and im curious, what do you mean by the term 'prosperity message'? i wonder who invented this term.

Money and wealth is blibical as far as i know.
It's Greed and covetousness that isnt.

the bible is definitely not a poverty message thats for sure.

i dont like siding in a an argument, hopefully my thoughts do shed some light and hopefully give this issue some open space for both chc members and outsiders to make their stand..

There is a difference between living a life of abundance and making that a priority in a Christian's life. While the gospel isn't a 'poverty message', it isn't a 'prosperity message' either. It is not about being rich or poor but where your heart is.

An example of how materialism change people or how people can manipulate their way to their ultimate goals behind the veil of noble goals to garner support.

It's hypocrisy at work.

wah lau you all very childish leh. she's from chc so chc ppl support her lah. just like kelly poon was from sp so sp support her loh. so simple. argue for what?

you are a singaporean why don't i see you supporting singaporean, you act angmo ar!

You know the difference between a fan club and a church? One worships an idol, the other worships God. I have yet to come across a singer or entertainer who's got such substantial pulpit/church support for her secular work. I see it happens with fan clubs.

Maybe CHC is unique. But then I don't see or read or hear other CHC members enjoying such a privilege in their careers. Care to name some? Or is it childish to ask?

i agreed with anonymous that if someone is so famous, fans no need to try so hard to publicise. Newspaper will be dying to go after her.

I find something funny. When sun ho in the west, the article will boast how famous she is in asia or singapore. This is untrue. While the christian fans in singapore will say how famous she is overseas. mmmmmm......i am not sure is she really that famous in west ? In the east, maybe not. Just saw her appear for a while, then disappear again.

Maybe that's how people seem to be famous all over the world ;) I may be anonymous here but do you know I am well-known all over Europe?

some say she cant act, cant sing(compare with similar category of singers)...but she is politically correct. thats all that matters!

oh ya, Sun is really very famous OUTSIDE singapore... It just proved God's word is TRUE. "A servant of God is not without honor, but only in his own house." Which means a servant of God will never be popular in his own country. Every word will be recorded by God and be used as an evidence in the day of judgement. Hence, both christians and non-christians must watch what they say.
Check out this website that show the list of recognition Sun Ho got OUTSIDE singapore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Yeow_Sun
Actually, most Singaporeans very "frog in the well". Sigh...

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, obviously the accolades were meticulously listed out by fans. Yet strangely, they do not elaborate on HOW the Billboard charts were derived.

Once again i think that the charts derivation does not mean anything.

These are charts that show how the singer's music got so famous.

If it is through album sales, or itunes music shop, or play rate in clubs, or dedications on radio stations.

It all goes down to the same thing, there are people who want to listen to your music.

I understand that Sun's popularity came from the frequent request of her songs in clubs and stuff. That only correct isn't it?

Her genre of music is dance and ragae. These types of songs are found in clubs.

Why would want to play a song like that in a high class restaurant, or unless you hold frequent rave parties at your house you wouldn't need the album so much wouldn't you?

By the way, if someone is really famous, there's no need for fans to try so hard to publicise. The newspapers and tabloids will be dying to feature your idol's every single move.

They are...

Sun has been reported a lot in other countries. Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, America, UK.

These are the places she impacted.

Many fail to realize that as accurate as our local papers may be. When it comes to entertainment, they can be bias just so they can gain some leverage over their opponents.
Not all the writers, but the few who are willing.

Sun has been tackled by our local papers many times, none of them are total positives.

Just take the recent article.

Sun gave a speech Taiwan to encourage girls who have been sexually abused before to step out and receive treatment. Papers in Taiwan and HongKong gave a standing ovation about it.

Singapore on the other hand, said that she only did it for a publicity stunt.
Clearly this shows that Singapore papers are quite negative towards her.

DO you see the ratio?

Taiwan, Hongkong vs Singapore???

As someone has said, if she has made that much of an impact, reporters, papparazzi and tabloids will be tripping over each other to showcase her. Our local papers are no exception. Your incessant bragging of her unheard of fame (see the irony?) only makes her look desperate for publicity and recognition.

Judging by your logic, all Christians in Singapore better move their butts overseas.

aiyo... for Sun's critics, just go right up and say all those things in her face loh... I dare you... haha... then after a chat with her, I believe you will find her a very nice person.

haha.. actually very true..

She can always read what is here. As good as in the face.

This is such a forgotten non-issue. Why are people discussing about this? It's pop music. It came and it went. Who remembers Milli Vanilli today? Toybox? Aqua?

well, I know Sun a lil bit and I do like her album "Sun with Love". I never consider her as a pastor, tough. I simply just love her song. That's all. If any of you know where to listen her songs, gimme the link ok ;). Peace for all of you guys. God bless.